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Post by fmradio on Mar 3, 2009 5:40:42 GMT -5
I listened to Movin 100.7 for a couple hours yesterday and today and noticed that they have started saying "movin 100.7 All The Hits" and have made their playlist almost exclusively CHR/top 40! I didn't here the same Movin I was use to. The older songs from the past couple decades seems to have disappeared. Did the old Movin Format not work in SLC? The ratings seemed low? But was the station really promoted enough? I kinda like the new changes, but wonder why they came about?
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Post by Jrny1 on Mar 13, 2009 17:23:33 GMT -5
I listened to them this morning and laughed my head off when they did a traffic spot..... It must have been "prerecorded" and was obviously from an afternoon broadcast as it was talking about the drive south on I-15 and the delays and that the east bound i-80 was backed up.
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Post by henry on Mar 13, 2009 17:30:23 GMT -5
It's incidents like that which destroy radio's credibility.
Honestly, you're going to see KSL take at least a quarter of the market in PPM in the next five years. There are very few stations left investing any effort. Plus Apple does a better job shuffling songs than Alan Burns & Associates ever could.
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Post by thevoice on Mar 13, 2009 20:35:16 GMT -5
This traffic error was probably just an honest mistake- all the traffic spots are prerecorded. Usually recorded about one minute before it airs, then sent via ISDN over to the station. Maybe the traffic reporter just sent the wrong file? Give em a break, folks!
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Post by steve on Mar 28, 2009 13:31:21 GMT -5
It's incidents like that which destroy radio's credibility. Honestly, you're going to see KSL take at least a quarter of the market in PPM in the next five years. There are very few stations left investing any effort. Plus Apple does a better job shuffling songs than Alan Burns & Associates ever could. Henry are smokin crack?! All the Millcreek stations invest a whole lot of effort! So does The Bull, Zht, FM 100, and X96. You are gonna see all the younger leaning stations to very well with PPM. I don't think KSL or FM 100 are going to be at the top of the ratings list a year from now. PPM favors younger formats!
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Post by henry on Mar 28, 2009 16:56:54 GMT -5
I take my comment back, especially Millcreek. That's true.
I worry for KUBL and KZHT because they have very dangerous owners right now. When Clear Channel is beginning to dismantle heritage stations in Markets #1 and 2, it's inevitable they'll stop investing so much in Market #30. Citadel is teetering on collapse in the coming years, and like a wounded badger, may also make some very poor decisions.
Either way, it's not the local people who are the problem. It's the suits in San Antonio and Las Vegas. They are not in radio to provide community service. They are here to C.Y.A. And you can bet Farid Suleman or the Mays bros. will cannibalize any station they need to postpone their companies collapsing.
But if you listen to the comments from the RAB convention in Long Beach, you'll see the radio is finally waking up and realizing they are not in the radio business anymore. They are in the content origination business, which they deliver via FM.
Remember too that PPM may skew younger, but 18-24s are also the most likely to dump radio entirely. I should know. I'm close to that demo and everybody younger than me has their radios permanently set to their iTrip station. Those that don't, simply haven't been able to afford to buy theirs yet.
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U92: Has built cred, staple of DJs, company in for the long haul. People tune in for more than just the music. But they may find MP3 erosion, since they hit a young demo. Yellow light.
K-Bull: Has built cred with audience, excellent staff and morning show. Unstable owner. Yellow light.
KODJ: Decent morning talent, but over-consulted. Out of market voicetracking. Hits a less iPod saavy audience. Yellow light.
Z Rock: One good personality, but limited without a co-host. Music driven, which will erode to MP3 players. Red light.
X96: Cred with audience. Owner appears to be stable. Listeners tune in for more than just the music. Green light.
ZHT: Eroding cred with audience. Over-consulted. Unstable owner. Yellow light.
The Breeze: Good airstaff, but very music driven. Music format in flux, and at-risk to MP3 erosion. Committed owner, but may not have resources to ride out long-haul. Yellow light.
B98.7: Major lack of investment from owner, outside morning drive which pulls a loyal audience. National programming is very weak, and in the long-run could eventually bail to a different distribution model, leaving affiliates with no programming. Unstable owner. Yellow light.
My 99.5: Low overhead, but extremely music-oriented. Severe risk to MP3 erosion. Red light.
FM 100: Collapsing staff eroding crediblity with audience. Committed owner, but they appear worried about the AC format, and they aren't investing as they have in the past. Outside of mornings, the format is very music driven, and at risk to MP3 erosion. Yellow light.
Movin 100.7: Entirely music driven. Minimal investment. MP3 erosion. Red light.
KBER 101: Compelling dayparts. Potential of morning drive eventually switching distribution models, which could put the station at risk someday. Strong afternoon talent. Unstable owner. Yellow light.
The End: Strong dayparts, but unstable owner. Music-driven and unstable format. MP3 erosion. Yellow light.
La Gran D: National programming. MP3 penetration to Latino audience is a major concern. Yellow light.
KSL: Large local investment, including 16 hours of local programming per weekday. Hannity could switch distribution models in the future. Committed stable owner. Green light.
Jack: Goofy cred, but one that could easily be copied via a different distribution model. Entirely music driven. Minimal investment. MP3 erosion, but hitting a less iPod-saavy audience. Yellow light.
Arrow: Continued local investment but it could change if the market gets worse. Fairly music driven. MP3 erosion, but hitting a less iPod-saavy audience. Yellow light.
KSOP: Strong local line-up, with a loyal but modest following. Airstaff may be somewhat reactionary to the music, which exposes the station to MP3 erosion. But they have an extremely stable owner. Green/Yellow light.
I not gonna bother with 105.7
KOSY: Little, if no noticable local talent. Unstable owner and unstable music format. Red light.
Country Legends: Strong morning investment, but little connection through the rest of the day. Hits VERY non-iPod saavy audience. Unstable owner. Yellow light.
Mix 107.9: Consistant but music-reactionary local programming. MP3 erosion. Stable owner. Yellow light.
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Anyway, I don't mean to sound harsh. But we can't look to the past anymore. Times are changing, and the national programming we think will save radio may circumvent the medium entirely. We may wake up in 2012 to find a $30 adaptor that allows you to listen to streaming audio in the car for free.
That's called a "game changer." And I don't think any of us can deny it eventually happening.
We may see shows like Bob and Tom, Rush, and Sean Hannity move to a distribution model that allows them to talk directly to listeners via Wi-Fi, allowing them to sell to 100% of the audience and keep 100% of the money.
The stations that will survive PPM will either be (1) high-budget stations which provide unique local content (read: "local news"). Or (2) nearly automated music formats that will see their share continue to drop as listeners move to other modes. And the looming performance rights bill may put the nail in their coffin even earlier.
All of radio isn't hosed. Just 90% of the stations are.
So, I go back to what I said. KSL is the only one with any long-term (5-15 yr) future. The others might, we'll have to see.
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Post by elchupacabras970 on Mar 28, 2009 17:47:10 GMT -5
Henry, I'd like to make a few observations.
1) PPM has wreaked havoc in Los Angeles with a number of formats. You are right that it does tend to trend younger, but it also distorts if the apparatus is just left pegged to a station or feed. It has really created problems for the ethnic broadcasters.
2) Wi-Fi radio may not end up "hosing" regular radio if the RIAA and its ilk continue to jack up the cost of streaming. Many stations are beginning to dump long time feeds due to cost factors.
Also, streaming is a nightmare for a station's marketing department. It is sporadic and literally all over. Hard to target. Unless everyone were required to log-in, which would turn a lot of people away, it is very hard to track.
I'm not bashing streaming, I listen to it now more than ever and believe it will be a significant factor, but it also has its side effects. Frankly we terrestial casters should have jumped on the bandwagon with internet casters years ago, supporting their cause. Now it is biting us in the butt.
As for you assertion that KSL is the only station with long-term growth, perhaps. But how many books away are 5 years? A station can crap out in a hurry if it doesn't re-invent itself. Hence KSL's Nightside Project, for instance. Speaking of the Nightside Project, many don't know that I relocated to Mexico last fall. And last Wednesday at 9:05, I picked it up some 2500 miles away, 200 km north of Mexico City. Pretty incredible catch it you ask me. Also heard the TOH ID from KNRS. I was shocked, since there are a lot of mountains between here and there, but that is what skywave will do for you!
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Post by henry on Mar 28, 2009 18:24:00 GMT -5
Wow. Talk about a killer DX. The best I ever got was 1080 KRLD. Once. Ever.
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Post by elchupacabras970 on Mar 28, 2009 18:58:03 GMT -5
KRLD is one of the common stations I pick up down here, as is WOAI from San Antonio. There is another Austin (or nearby, I can't recall) station at 1700 with less than 10kw that comes in like a local station at sunset. The expanded band is less crowded and is incredible. Reminds me of how DXing was in the 80's before the FCC emasculated the band.
I'll tell you, I was thrilled when I heard Utah radio again. It made me feel like I really wasn't that far away from home.
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Post by David on Mar 29, 2009 7:00:28 GMT -5
This is just speculation on my part, but I'd guess that part of the reason the signal from KNRS has a longer "reach" than KSL's signal despite KNRS having fewer watts has to do with KNRS's frequency. Even though most of the AM signal at night is skywave, there's a bit of the groundwave signal that comes into play. Being so close to the bottom end of the AM band probably helps KNRS's DX factor. At my location in Ogden, I can hear KNAK (AM 540) in Delta during the day on almost every radio in my home.
I'll second your comment about the DX in the expanded portion of the AM band. At night XEPE-AM (AM 1700) booms in with a signal as strong as KSL. Not bad for 10,000 watts!
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Post by JamesAnderson on Mar 29, 2009 12:20:47 GMT -5
As far as Mexico and clears go, I heard once, and it may be recorded in a BYU devotional or LDS General Conference talk way back, that it wasn't uncommon for the LDS missionaries and their mission president to go to a mountaintop near Mexico City and they could pick up KSL clear as a bell. Mexico seems to honor the clears' nighttime footprint more than the US does.
I first heard KLUB 57 in December 1971, I was well away from the city so it came in so clear one would think the station was right there. I was at Roosevelt Dam, Arizona, and could get almost anything well at night in those days, things like XELO 800 Juarez, which eventually became the legendary XEROK 'X-Rok 80' and their heyday was '74-'77.
Now, with all the electronics and stuff, they screw up any AM signal in a house, and you have to be away from the city to get anything you can still get well on AM at night.
On Internet radio, don't count them out just yet, there are portable devices being developed, and the Wimax stuff has yet to be deployed to a significant degree, and since the providers have to allow anything to use the 700mhz bands they will have all kinds of third-party vendors with all kinds of devices, not just radio stuff either, but alot of things we may not be able to think of yet.
Most Wimax transmitters along with the old TV spectrum will also be on some other spectrum as well.
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Post by Christopher John on Mar 30, 2009 4:21:37 GMT -5
I personally think thse PPM ratings are going to shake up the ratings quite a bit around here, I think we will definately see the top stations fall and others rise in my personal opinion. Another thing is Arbitron does take the PPM seriously. They are installing the Encoders now at KSOP and each station gets a primary and a auxillary encoder. Pretty cool I think
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2009 7:07:33 GMT -5
I personally think thse PPM ratings are going to shake up the ratings quite a bit around here, I think we will definately see the top stations fall and others rise in my personal opinion. Another thing is Arbitron does take the PPM seriously. They are installing the Encoders now at KSOP and each station gets a primary and a auxillary encoder. Pretty cool I think Does that mean that KSOP will start subscribing to the reports? We've been missing The Cowboy in the publicly published 12+ ratings for some time now. It will be good to see how they are doing. Even though the 12+ or now 6+ ratings are still more of a beauty contest.
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Post by Christopher John on Mar 30, 2009 10:18:36 GMT -5
I have no clue what they will do but we are still rated hence the encoders.. Just they dont publish any of the numbers to the public.. Im sure most advertisers have access to the books and can see where anyone is landing at. I kinda have a feeling this PPM is going to be a good thing for some stations. oh by the way its a "Green" Light
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Post by Terry on Mar 30, 2009 11:35:07 GMT -5
I notice that Radio and Records is reporting People Meter ratings for some of the larger markets: www.radioandrecords.com/RRWebSite20/Members/Ratings.aspxThese PPM ratings appear to include every station in the market, including non-commercial stations. Perhaps that means that KSOP will show up in SL PPM ratings.
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