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Post by toomuchradio on Apr 13, 2009 8:11:15 GMT -5
This morning while listening to KSL, Clark Howard visited with Grant and Amanda. I understand he has a show that KSL picks up and runs at a time no one listens to radio, but the interesting this is what I heard at the end of the interview. KSL said listen to Clark Howard's new time here on KSL from 10:00 - 1:00. Does this mean AM? Someone else currently has that time, what will happen to them? Or does it mean PM and there are no real changes? Interesting.
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Post by elchupacabras970 on Apr 13, 2009 9:48:07 GMT -5
It is in the overnight period. I heard Clark Howard Saturday morning in the 12 AM time period, once again from my listening post in Mexico! KSL has a fantastic signal down here!
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Post by henry on Apr 13, 2009 10:18:51 GMT -5
That's 10p-1a. KSL's daytime local programming sells WAY too much advertising to dump for a syndicated show.
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Post by toomuchradio on Apr 14, 2009 21:18:08 GMT -5
That's to bad. I was hoping that Clark would take over Doug Wright. I just can't handle how he repeats himself after every sentence. I just can't handle how he repeats himself after every sentence. I enjoy Clark Howard, but not enough to stay awake until 1:00 a.m. to listen.
KSL Airs so many commercials and with every time they say "traffic and weather on the 9's" I just can't listen anymore. Who carries decent news radio without so many commercials?
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Post by Amanuensis on Apr 15, 2009 6:19:01 GMT -5
When it is not pledge week, KUER and KCPW have better local news, except for breaking news and live newsmaker interviews, which are still KSL's forte.
I also am driven crazy by how little actual news is included in KSL's news cycle. I could live with the high amounts of ads if they would use the remaining time effectively. In other words, kill the chit-chat, drop the sweepers (except at TOH), don't tease the upcoming stories prior to going into a commercial break, and, for the traffic and weather, don't waste time tossing to the traffic reporters. Just come back from the commercials directly to the reporters when it is the proper time in the cycle. Only toss to them when some urgent traffic news means that you are going to go to them out-of-cycle. Same thing for business news and sports news when it is their time in the cycle -- be like Nike and JUST DO IT.
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Post by elchupacabras970 on Apr 15, 2009 8:38:21 GMT -5
When it is not pledge week, KUER and KCPW have better local news, except for breaking news and live newsmaker interviews, which are still KSL's forte. I also am driven crazy by how little actual news is included in KSL's news cycle. I could live with the high amounts of ads if they would use the remaining time effectively. In other words, kill the chit-chat, drop the sweepers (except at TOH), don't tease the upcoming stories prior to going into a commercial break, and, for the traffic and weather, don't waste time tossing to the traffic reporters. Just come back from the commercials directly to the reporters when it is the proper time in the cycle. Only toss to them when some urgent traffic news means that you are going to go to them out-of-cycle. Same thing for business news and sports news when it is their time in the cycle -- be like Nike and JUST DO IT. This may work with listeners of public radio who have a longer TSL, but would be a disaster for commercial radio. If you don't tease your stories, you don't have those promotional elements, forget about it! You might as well discard you usable audience. For those of us who listen to radio for hours at a time it is annoying, but for those who are changing the dial and wanting quick, concise traffic, weather and news, it is indispensable. You only have a few seconds to jar your listener's attention or else. I have to respectfully disagree. |
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Post by henry on Apr 15, 2009 10:24:33 GMT -5
That's to bad. I was hoping that Clark would take over Doug Wright. I just can't handle how he repeats himself after every sentence. I just can't handle how he repeats himself after every sentence. I enjoy Clark Howard, but not enough to stay awake until 1:00 a.m. to listen. KSL Airs so many commercials and with every time they say "traffic and weather on the 9's" I just can't listen anymore. Who carries decent news radio without so many commercials? News costs money. No advertisements, no news. At least it's better than KNRS, where we get the ads, but little or no news. Dump Doug for Clark Howard??? Are you crazy? Doug is the last local discussion on the air ... well, except for Ned Flanders in Rochester, NY. |
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Post by Amanuensis on Apr 16, 2009 8:02:45 GMT -5
When it is not pledge week, KUER and KCPW have better local news, except for breaking news and live newsmaker interviews, which are still KSL's forte. I also am driven crazy by how little actual news is included in KSL's news cycle. I could live with the high amounts of ads if they would use the remaining time effectively. In other words, kill the chit-chat, drop the sweepers (except at TOH), don't tease the upcoming stories prior to going into a commercial break, and, for the traffic and weather, don't waste time tossing to the traffic reporters. Just come back from the commercials directly to the reporters when it is the proper time in the cycle. Only toss to them when some urgent traffic news means that you are going to go to them out-of-cycle. Same thing for business news and sports news when it is their time in the cycle -- be like Nike and JUST DO IT. This may work with listeners of public radio who have a longer TSL, but would be a disaster for commercial radio. If you don't tease your stories, you don't have those promotional elements, forget about it! You might as well discard you usable audience. For those of us who listen to radio for hours at a time it is annoying, but for those who are changing the dial and wanting quick, concise traffic, weather and news, it is indispensable. You only have a few seconds to jar your listener's attention or else. I have to respectfully disagree. I agree that they might loose part of their current audience's TSL. But they would gain TSL from people like me who right now listen only for breaking local news. As it is now, KSL's product reminds me of the old Wendy's commercials -- KSL has a big fluffy bun, but "where's the beef?" KNX in Los Angeles had a news wheel format that was very similar to what I wish KSL had. It was extremely news driven, instead of personality driven like it is with KSL. As far as I am concerned, KSL doesn't need two anchors during morning and afternoon drive. Once Doug Wright retires, they could move a morning drive anchor to mid-morning and one of the afternoon drive earlier to mid-afternoon (replacing the awful Sean Hannity) and thus have news all day. Sure it would be more expensive, but they could repackage more content from KSL TV and the Deseret News. |
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Post by elchupacabras970 on Apr 16, 2009 9:20:21 GMT -5
This may work with listeners of public radio who have a longer TSL, but would be a disaster for commercial radio. If you don't tease your stories, you don't have those promotional elements, forget about it! You might as well discard you usable audience. For those of us who listen to radio for hours at a time it is annoying, but for those who are changing the dial and wanting quick, concise traffic, weather and news, it is indispensable. You only have a few seconds to jar your listener's attention or else. I have to respectfully disagree. I agree that they might loose part of their current audience's TSL. But they would gain TSL from people like me who right now listen only for breaking local news. As it is now, KSL's product reminds me of the old Wendy's commercials -- KSL has a big fluffy bun, but "where's the beef?" KNX in Los Angeles had a news wheel format that was very similar to what I wish KSL had. It was extremely news driven, instead of personality driven like it is with KSL. As far as I am concerned, KSL doesn't need two anchors during morning and afternoon drive. Once Doug Wright retires, they could move a morning drive anchor to mid-morning and one of the afternoon drive earlier to mid-afternoon (replacing the awful Sean Hannity) and thus have news all day. Sure it would be more expensive, but they could repackage more content from KSL TV and the Deseret News. I'm not saying it is "great" for everyone, but when you lead the market as the number one station, making changes is dangerous. If ain't broke, don't fix it. Look, I agree with you on a personal level, but thinking as a radio man, our personal tastes are irrelevant. You also have to take into account the fact that it is one of the national N/T leaders in picking up younger demos. Unfortunately, a lot of the younger pukes have short attention spans and don't appreciate hard news as it once used to be presented on KSL/KALL and other stations in the market. Hence, the injection of personality, teases, and lifestyle info. that many of us more mature duffers (I'm really not THAT old) could care less about, but are "important" to the demographic. While I don't like it, I have to evolve with the times. |
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Post by henry on Apr 16, 2009 17:23:58 GMT -5
I agree with the "ain't broke" message. Eventually, listeners will pick up talk shows directly, putting radio stations out of the distribution business. In the meantime, it's fairly lucrative - so Hannity isn't going away.
But in the long run, for KSL Radio to survive, it will have to go all-news. Most of their listeners will come via in-car Wi-Max. That's probably still 10 years away.
I would've loved to have had all-news last night at 1 AM when I got stuck in the snow. Even if they hired a cheap anchor who doubled as a traffic reporter and a rookie reporter and a producer ... the three man team could push the show through the night.
But again, I don't seem them doing this for probably another 10 years.
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Post by BonnevilleMariner on Apr 16, 2009 18:50:38 GMT -5
I enjoy Clark Howard, but not enough to stay awake until 1:00 a.m. to listen. No kidding. Clark (for me at least) was the original consumer advocate personality. I loved it when KSL ran him earlier in the evening. Now it's just too late, and the sound quality is horrible. In other words, kill the chit-chat, drop the sweepers (except at TOH), don't tease the upcoming stories prior to going into a commercial break, and, for the traffic and weather, don't waste time tossing to the traffic reporters. Just come back from the commercials directly to the reporters when it is the proper time in the cycle. Amen! I guess this would be bad for business in the current market, and that's the bottom line, but they'd sure earn my TSL. I can't stand KSL's news shows. Their news programming is the only type around that you can listen to for 10 minutes and still not hear any actual news. The other day I tuned in for drive time traffic and I was almost home before I heard a "full" news story. Dump Doug for Clark Howard??? Are you crazy? Doug is the last local discussion on the air ... well, except for Ned Flanders in Rochester, NY. First of all, Henry, you're forgetting the Nightside boys, who do a pretty good job. I'll listen to them over Doug Wright any day. And knock Ned Flanders all you want, but he's been doing Utah radio for about a decade now and has quite a fan base. And can we please dispense with the "He's in NY" bullcrap already? Technology-wise and production-wise, you know it's a non-issue. No, he's not from here, but you'd never know that because he's completely on top of Utah issues. Agree with his politics or not, the man has probably forgotten more about Utah politics than most of us here will ever learn. His show is as "local" as it gets. Local traffic, local news, interaction with local newspeople, traffic people, and producers, Utah issues, local callers. Plus, he spends a fair amount of time here in Utah. Dude could do the show from Mumbai for all I care. |
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Post by henry on Apr 16, 2009 19:09:38 GMT -5
True, I forgot about Nightside. (which is odd, because I really, really like Nightside)
I will admit, Flanders is the best thing KNRS has going for them. I wish they could move him from 1-4p against Hannity, so those wanting local talk can continue after Doug's show is over. KNRS could then compete head-to-head against KSL for news in morning and afternoon drive.
Also: Putting KNRS on 105.7 is such a no-brainer! I almost never listened to KSL until they went to 102.7. Of course, I'm in the "under 30" crowd, so FM is a big deal.
As for the New York thing: It is a big deal. With internet he stays remarkably connected to Utah, but there is a disconnection when you live half way across the country. He certainly can't have any in-studio guests, and chat face-to-face with them.
I mean, I'd love to start a news/talk station for California's Inland Empire (which is severely missing one), but I'd be crazy to try and produce the show from here. I'm simply not connected with the community - even if I did visit California often enough.
I'd love to see Bob move back here and do his show here. But it all takes investment, and Clear Channel doesn't invest in their products much anymore.
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Post by Amanuensis on Apr 16, 2009 19:31:58 GMT -5
I agree with the "ain't broke" message. Eventually, listeners will pick up talk shows directly, putting radio stations out of the distribution business. In the meantime, it's fairly lucrative - so Hannity isn't going away. But in the long run, for KSL Radio to survive, it will have to go all-news. Most of their listeners will come via in-car Wi-Max. That's probably still 10 years away. I would've loved to have had all-news last night at 1 AM when I got stuck in the snow. Even if they hired a cheap anchor who doubled as a traffic reporter and a rookie reporter and a producer ... the three man team could push the show through the night. But again, I don't seem them doing this for probably another 10 years. Once wi-max gets going, I expect that I will get my news by having a computer voice read to me the stories of interest from the Deseret News as I drive to and from work. |
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Post by BonnevilleMariner on Apr 16, 2009 19:50:06 GMT -5
I will admit, Flanders is the best thing KNRS has going for them. I wish they could move him from 1-4p against Hannity, so those wanting local talk can continue after Doug's show is over. KNRS could then compete head-to-head against KSL for news in morning and afternoon drive. Excellent idea. Also: Putting KNRS on 105.7 is such a no-brainer! I almost never listened to KSL until they went to 102.7. Of course, I'm in the "under 30" crowd, so FM is a big deal. No kidding. Most mp3 players and cell phones have FM tuners. KNRS's little HD simulcast can't be benefiting them a fraction as much as simulcasting on free FM would. He certainly can't have any in-studio guests, and chat face-to-face with them. Yes he does. If I had time I could go back thru his podcast archives (cause that's the only way I'll listen to it) and pick them out. He doesn't do it as much as Doug Wright does, but he has in-studio guests. Remember, he does up to 2 weeks per month in the CC studio here. |
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Post by henry on Apr 17, 2009 1:26:00 GMT -5
Oh, I didn't know he spent half his time here.
Never mind, then. I thought he was a Rochester-only guy.
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