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Post by justin on Sept 15, 2009 13:07:41 GMT -5
I'm a lot like henry and Amanuensis on this. Radio is boring. I'll go on to say it's downright tragic.
I gave up on local music radio more than a decade ago, but I didn't stop listening to music. I'm listening to as much music now as I ever have, but everything I listen to now comes from the Internet in some form or another. I listen to a few stations that stream online: KCRW and KEXP mostly. I hear stuff there that never gets played in this city. I find out about new bands through podcasts and blogs which usually link to an MP3 or a YouTube clip.
Radio in Utah provides nothing for me as far as music goes. It used to. I hope it can do it again. (that's why I continue to check these message boards) I don't see that happening until some station owner scraps their consultant and their pre-canned playlists and hires some music lovers who know about the music they're playing, who can get out and find new stuff, and go back into the catalog and pull out the important stuff from the past that we're not hearing anymore.
All I want is one local station to do that, and I'll listen to it all day long.
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Post by Amanuensis on Sept 15, 2009 14:20:52 GMT -5
Speeking of play lists --
Yesterday starting at about 1 pm, I heard the following three stations all play the same song within a few minutes of each other: 97.9, 103.5, and 94.1. It is ironic that a statio proclaiming it is NOW! plays a lot of the same songs as KODJ and KRSP, neither of which plays any current music.
The song was Don't Stop Believing by Journey, which came out in 1981!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2009 16:07:00 GMT -5
With as many FM stations that there are here (and more to come!!), there should be a 2 station per format limit. At least for the mainstream formats: CHR-M, CHR-R, Country, AC, HAC, Oldies (whatever!), Alternative, Active, Classic Rock, N/T, etc... This will further encourage competition while limiting so many copy-cats and force creativity on the dial. The full market signals can handle these formats and the rimshots can take the more niche programming. And if some of these niche stations can't hack it, they get sold and try again or go away altogether or back to their COL.
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Post by henry on Sept 15, 2009 19:08:43 GMT -5
How about returning to a 2-stations per market ownership cap?
Oh wait (sarcasm) nobody would ever want to own a radio station! Thank goodness we have civicly-minded corporations to take these nasty radio stations off our hands! (/sarcasm)
(I'm in a jaded mood right now ... and I'm streaming C89.5 ... programmed by HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS and it kicks the trash out of 80% of the stations in this town. They even have LOCAL NEWS!)
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Post by Drake on Sept 16, 2009 1:36:08 GMT -5
Terrestrial radio has fallen off the radar because there are a lot of other listening options. I listen to Satellite radio now and wouldn't have it any other way.
99.9% of people who listen to t-radio are casual listeners who hardly care or recognize what station they are listening to. And you can't blame them. What is there to be excited about in t-radio these days? The commercials? The juvenile banter of the evening dj on ZHT? The loss of the smooth jazz format in favor of mainstream schmuck?
The only reason I still post, and enjoy reading some posts from others, is to bash, belittle, and bemoan the current state of t-radio. It's just too easy and too fun to find humor in the absurdly stupid decisions that stations are constantly making to dumb down their format.
So I guess I get my critical kicks here.
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Post by steve on Sept 18, 2009 9:33:51 GMT -5
I'm a lot like henry and Amanuensis on this. Radio is boring. I'll go on to say it's downright tragic. I gave up on local music radio more than a decade ago, but I didn't stop listening to music. I'm listening to as much music now as I ever have, but everything I listen to now comes from the Internet in some form or another. I listen to a few stations that stream online: KCRW and KEXP mostly. I hear stuff there that never gets played in this city. I find out about new bands through podcasts and blogs which usually link to an MP3 or a YouTube clip. Radio in Utah provides nothing for me as far as music goes. It used to. I hope it can do it again. (that's why I continue to check these message boards) I don't see that happening until some station owner scraps their consultant and their pre-canned playlists and hires some music lovers who know about the music they're playing, who can get out and find new stuff, and go back into the catalog and pull out the important stuff from the past that we're not hearing anymore. All I want is one local station to do that, and I'll listen to it all day long. Well you are the exception to the average listener! Aside from the fact that there are more radio stations now, and probably more automated programming, radio is still about playing the hits! Programmers and djs have not gone into catalogs to pick out what they want since the early days of FM in the late 60's and 70's! If that type of programming was done today, everyone would probably go out of business! You have to me mass-appeal! |
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Post by BonnevilleMariner on Sept 22, 2009 11:11:02 GMT -5
I'm one of the more frequent posters here, and I'm not in the business, nor do I really know anything about it. I'm just a radio fan. Mostly talk radio. I'm ADD. Music is boring to me.
I listen mostly to podcasts, my biggest gripes with live radio being commercial breaks with horribly repetitive and annoying commercials, and news/traffic/weather breaks.
To be honest, it's the news breaks that turn me off. Yes, I know it's what the masses want. No need to set me straight. But it's why I personally don't listen any more. The break is simply too long. Give me a talk station that had regular commercial breaks but ditched the news and I'd listen all day.
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Post by radiolovr on Sept 22, 2009 13:17:52 GMT -5
To be honest, it's the news breaks that turn me off. Yes, I know it's what the masses want. No need to set me straight. But it's why I personally don't listen any more. The break is simply too long. Give me a talk station that had regular commercial breaks but ditched the news and I'd listen all day. I agree. It seems like there are more ads than show topics sometimes. This is especially true on the Doug Wright show. I swear he does more live ads than I've ever heard, and he spends more time either doing those, playing commercials, or taking news, traffic and weather breaks. |
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Post by BonnevilleMariner on Sept 22, 2009 14:26:42 GMT -5
I agree. It seems like there are more ads than show topics sometimes. This is especially true on the Doug Wright show. I swear he does more live ads than I've ever heard, and he spends more time either doing those, playing commercials, or taking news, traffic and weather breaks. Right. And I appreciate that KSL podcasts their content, but I don't listen to their podcasts because they leave the newscast, live reads, and most of the commercials in. Sure I can fast forward them, but if I'm walking or working out, the last thing I want to do is pause to FF thru commercials and news. Whether they do it out of sheer laziness or they're hoping to expose me to the same ad content I'd get if I were listening to the radio, it defeats it's own purpose. I no longer listen to even their podcasts! Again though, I might still listen if they at least cut out the news breaks. By nature of podcasting, you're listening to a show after the fact-- anywhere between several hours (because podcasts aren't immediately posted) and several days after it airs. So why do I care what the traffic and weather were like 3 days ago at 11:30? The news might retain some relevancy, but why would I spend 4 minutes or however long it is listening through it? So on my Sansa, I FF, but then I need to guess when the breaks end or keep checking. It's a pain, and it's not worth it. Perhaps the general lack of enthusiasm for radio stems from radio's utter refusal to acknowledge that it's becoming obsolete. |
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Post by justin on Sept 23, 2009 14:17:44 GMT -5
Well you are the exception to the average listener! Aside from the fact that there are more radio stations now, and probably more automated programming, radio is still about playing the hits! Programmers and djs have not gone into catalogs to pick out what they want since the early days of FM in the late 60's and 70's! If that type of programming was done today, everyone would probably go out of business! You have to me mass-appeal! I have been aware that I'm "the exception" for quite some time now  But seriously... I'm simply more interested in hearing what is coming out next week, or what was released last month, than I am in hearing the same batch of hits from 15 years ago. I'm just baffled that so much of what I'm finding online, or occasionally seeing in the local clubs and venues, isn't found anywhere on the radio. It's a huge void. I don't understand who picks the "hits". If we are not listening to anything from 2009, what are the greatest hits going to be 15 years from now? There are a few stations around the country that look around for new bands, or overlooked veterans, who are recording interesting new stuff. Some of those stations are quite successful and influential. I think that a local station could do something similar now, much more easily than it could have been done 10 years ago. I'm holding out hope, as naive as it sounds, that somebody will try something here sooner or later. |
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Post by Amanuensis on Sept 23, 2009 15:14:40 GMT -5
If I happen to be going somewhere in the car on a Saturday, I like listening to 103.1's rebroadcasts of old Casey Kasem weekly Top 40 broadcasts from the 70s and 80s. It is amazing to me how few songs from those years that were popular then still get airplay.
Yes, some might have been forgotten for a good reason -- they stunk. But there is a lot of material there that I believe should still get airplay. There are a few radio stations that do play a very wide variety of music from those decades, but none of the Salt Lake stations do. WHY NOT? Sure, it is a niche audience, but it is a niche that a station would have all to itself.
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But seriously... I'm simply more interested in hearing what is coming out next week, or what was released last month, than I am in hearing the same batch of hits from 15 years ago.