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Post by d2thep on Oct 19, 2007 22:46:37 GMT -5
Citadel silences HD nighttime AM signals.
Three weeks after the FCC began allowing AM stations to broadcast in HD after dark, Citadel engineers say interference concerns and listener complaints have led to the decision to pull the plug.
Citadel says one of the reasons for the suspension of nighttime AM IBOC is listener complaints. I wonder if there may have been the threat of lawsuits over adjacent-channel interference to other radio stations.
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Post by x on Oct 20, 2007 0:31:59 GMT -5
If there aren't lawsuits yet (and I haven't heard of any) there will be if nighttime IBOC stays around. There's already one owner in upstate NY who's trying to rally other small owners to fight this. I don't blame them.
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Post by d2thep on Oct 22, 2007 19:59:24 GMT -5
All I know is.... I would buy Satellite before I spend a dime on the overpriced radio's for HD which here in Reno some of the FM stations have pulled the plug on their HD2 signals due to NO-- ONE CARES!!!!!!! Not the listeners who really most of them don't even know about the HD2 signals but as I was told the station manager whom said it was a waste of his time and power and computer usage to run a signal where no-one listens so he pulled the plug on his stations HD2 signals??? and as of last grocery shopping run in Reno yes they are off!!!!
DSPete
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Post by x on Oct 22, 2007 23:13:00 GMT -5
I think what Ibiquity and the big groups would say is that there's a chicken and egg problem. Without programming, people won't buy the radios. If a group owner waits until there are a lot of radios, this thing will never get going. (It may not anyway, but.....)
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Post by admin on Oct 24, 2007 13:46:14 GMT -5
Well I think it is only a matter of time before HD (Hybrid Digital) takes off, Ford is now offering and a factory option to almost all models this year HD radios, others will follow, people will discover it in the car and eventually it will start trickling into the home, problem is many people are going to be upset at the antenna they will need to wire to get them at home, I have had a **** of a time pulling them in here in Spanish Fork
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Post by wallywombat on Oct 24, 2007 16:27:29 GMT -5
The automakers used to offer AM stereo in their vehicles as well and were is that now?
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Post by x on Oct 25, 2007 2:55:06 GMT -5
From a consumer demand standpoint, it might work. The problem is that if the digital hash is forced off air due to interference problems it won't matter whether people want it or not.
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Post by admin on Oct 25, 2007 17:38:47 GMT -5
The automakers used to offer AM stereo in their vehicles as well and were is that now? Your point has no merit, as AM stereo was never WIDELY available, I'm a big fan of AM Stereo and followed it VERY close |
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Post by dxstuboy on Jan 16, 2008 19:56:10 GMT -5
All I know is KSL's hash along with KWDZ's hash is annoying as heck to someone like me trying to DX for stations on either 900 kHz or 1150. During the day its impossible to hear anything from 1130-1150 and 1170-1190. I have a really narrow bandwidth radio as well, and it "should" filter that stuff out its just too darn powerful. HD radio is useless to me.
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Post by elchupacabras970 on Jan 25, 2008 18:53:25 GMT -5
Wait! I thought "hash-hish" was, or at least ought to be illegal. LOL The only decent digital format ought there is Leonard Kahn's CAM-D. Read the whitepapers on it and you too will be convinced. IBOC should be blocked on the basis of being a forced monopoly. The recurring fees are a killer for smaller stations. IBOC FM might be worth it, but AM? Hell no! Can't even lock in on a skywave and the hash messes up DXing. Guess I'll have to find a new hobby.
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Post by x on Jan 26, 2008 2:51:43 GMT -5
Since nobody is forcing a station to broadcast IBOC (and nobody will), that isn't going to work as an argument. Disrupting the coverage areas of other station will.
Kahn's system is clearly superior in that it doesn't disrupt anything nearby. In fact, according to their claims it actually *increases* the coverage area of stations using it. The only question is, how does it sound in digital mode vs. IBOC. From what I've heard of IBOC, it ain't so good. No idea about the Kahn system.
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Post by elchupacabras970 on Feb 11, 2008 16:38:31 GMT -5
I have a buddy in East Tennessee who knows an operator there who increased coverage area on three of his AM's significantly with CAM-D and improved the analog sound with it as well. That is no small task, since the ground conductivity sucks there!! I used to work in TV in that market, and remember being lucky to pick up a city grade signal from a 5kw station less than 15 miles away. CAM-D is doomed thanks to the big operators (we all know who they are) who bought into IBIQUITY (I say putting it on air is INIQUITY) and who influence the FCC. Maybe putting a Democrat in office will shake up Kevin Martin and cronies in 2009.
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Post by dxstuboy on Feb 13, 2008 14:46:52 GMT -5
I can see keeping HD radio on FM but it doesn't make sense on AM. AM is so susceptible to interference to begin with, why create more? The logic behind the system has many flaws, as do the people who made the decision to run it in the first.
I find here in Salt Lake that KSL AM is the biggest offender. Obviously it has the biggest amount of power (50kw D/N) so it blocks out practically everything from 1130-1180 now, minus 1160.
I don't know how other DXers on this board may feel about it, but I've been tempted to write letters to both KSL and KWDZ, and maybe a few others, because this hash is ridiculous. If enough people complaining can get Citadel to shut down HD at night, maybe we can do the same for all of the other conglomerates (Clearchannel, Bonneville, etc).
As far as CAM-D goes, isn't KDYL using CAM-D? Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I can't hear a wink of hash coming from 1060, it has a nice clean signal that is even directional enough at night here in the northern part of the valley to hear Canada and possibly other stations on the same freq.
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Post by x on Feb 14, 2008 1:06:34 GMT -5
Last I heard, yes KDYL was still using Cam-D. There are airchecks at www.wrathofkahn.net/ The main site is at www.wrathofkahn.org/ where you can read their take on it. I don't believe that Citadel stopping nighttime IBUZ had much to do with listener complaints. They don't care about who you listen to if it isn't them. That's the key. They admitted that they were interfering with they own stations (http://www.radioworld.com/pages/s.0121/t.8847.html). I imagine the complaints from other owners were taken seriously as well, since (IMO) that's what's going to end up dooming it. The lawsuits will be just too costly. |
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Post by JamesAnderson on Feb 14, 2008 20:46:24 GMT -5
I heard the hash on KSL on a non-HD car head unit in the 13th South/3rd West Wal-Mart before they took out the display there. That was three weeks ago.
All I had to do was go to 1150 or 1170 and it was there, tried another station that I knew wasn't in HD and it was just the usual sound if you had it off-channel a bit, a common thing with AM anyway.
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