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Post by Terry on Jan 24, 2006 15:38:02 GMT -5
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Post by Always on Jan 24, 2006 21:34:53 GMT -5
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Post by tvdude on Jan 24, 2006 23:38:36 GMT -5
It might make you wonder how the local affiliation will be affected...The UPN station KJZZ loses some of it's primetime programming, but it already has ties with the CBS owned KUTV, so I predict more news on KJZZ (cheap to produce) or LHM could fill the time with more syndication (if there is any left)...WB30 is on the winning side...all of the CW programming. And if you break it down even more...KUTV is a winner because they are CBS owned and the CW is a CBS project (with Warner Bros) It should be interesting to see if this works...
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Post by MaxxFordham on Jan 25, 2006 0:41:00 GMT -5
I quote Terry: "I wonder what this will mean to KPNZ-24 and KUWB-30."
TV Dude, yeah, K-Jazz was connected to UPN at one time, but it was actually a few years ago that UPN went away from KJZZ and over to Z-24 (Comcast Cable channel 8). I don't remember how, why, or exactly when that happened.
Well, I'm gonna miss the sound of name of that network named after the Warner brothers, their Warner Brothers company, and the look of their familiar WB logo (from even before the network was created).
Mike
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Post by SamSpade on Jan 25, 2006 3:09:04 GMT -5
UPN went to Z-24 reportedly because "K-Jazz" had made some very racist comments about the network's programming choices... (also frequent pre-emptions for Utah Jazz and other sports frustrated the new network). I'm thinking CW will be aired on KUWB and something else will have to fill the void on Z24... Sex in the City at 7...  ? at 8... South Park at 9 anyone? LOL |
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Post by x on Jan 25, 2006 7:12:35 GMT -5
I was just thinking about that the other day. LHM was quoted as saying that the UPN programming was too urban for SLC. Certainly it's true that SLC is pretty whitebread and there are very few of the African American persuesion here. The question is, would the white majority in SLC watch urban comedies? LHM apprently didn't think so. When added to the frequent pre-emptions for Jazz games (which I'm sure got higher ratings than most of the UPN stuff) it made sense to dump them. That also helped launch Z-24 as a "real" TV station rather than the home shopping that they ran most of the time.
If I were to guess, I'd say KUWB will get the affiliation here. It's just a stronger station overall. That would not be good news for Z-24, which is in deep financial doo-doo at the moment as it is. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of brokered programming and/or home shopping reappearing on the station in 8 months.
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Post by Amanuensis on Jan 25, 2006 13:18:52 GMT -5
What was racist about LHM saying that UPN's programming was urban-focused?
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Post by Agent86 on Jan 25, 2006 18:32:09 GMT -5
They called up UPN directly and asked them to "stop playing so much black programming." That's not even an "I overheard this" thing either. That's a direct quote from much of the staff who were working there at the time. The story made national headlines, and was changed to say "Miller demanded the right to back out of its UPN contract if UPN increased its 'urban/ethnic programming' to more than two hours per week." (A lesser person would point out that not only is he homophobic toward gay cowboy movies, he's racist too!) It's unknown whether Miller actually told the person to make the call or if he did it on his own. Either way, we know what happened from there.
As for which station will get it, my guess is it will be neither. If you go read the partnership again, it says they're also working with Tribune Broadcasting. There's a reason that's there! Not every state will have two stations that have to pick who gets it. A lot of places (like KPNZ and KUWB) have syndication contracts they have to fulfill. And because of that, it creates a conflict on how much time they can devote to the schedule.
Take KPNZ, who has Springer, South Park, and Sex/City. Those shows HAVE TO AIR between certain times of the day. In fact, everything on their schedule is like that. There is no way they could move everything around to please the syndicates AND make room for the blocks of programming they'd have to air. Same with KUWB. They have commitments too shows like Malcolm, 70's Show, ER. You can't please everyone and still keep afloat.
The other reason they're going with Tribune, is because not every station is independent. For example in our market: KUWB, owned by Clear Channel now. KPNZ, having management and ownership issues as we've read on here. There is no way in hell they're just going to dump this network off to a station with embedded management or ownership that could cause a conflict. Especially when it comes to programming, employment, trafficking, etc. Which is a good reason why KJZZ (for more than one reason) wouldn't be a choice either.
I bet in the next few months we see FCC applications go through on a new station with some cheesy call sign like KUCW, all going through either CBS, Acme, or Tribune Broadcasting. Not to mention a big question is where are they going? They are with CBS, so could they be looking for digs downtown? Will they occupy a new part of town and bring life to it? Will they kick one of these other stations out of their building and take over? Going to be very interesting.
So there's my prediction. KPNZ and KUWB will turn into two syndication channels much like KJZZ is now, and CW will start somewhere new with some out of market staff and some local staff. All behind a new ownership.
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Post by ckik on Jan 25, 2006 19:07:49 GMT -5
So you're looking at KUWB to lose any affiliation and become a corporate-owned "indie"? That's an interesting prediction - worth sticking around and finding out! How long would you say until that happens?
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Post by Agent86 on Jan 25, 2006 20:42:27 GMT -5
If KUWB goes the course I expect it to go, they'll be looking into their syndication contracts and realize they can't become the new CW because they'll have a conflict both in daytime and on the weekends. WB dies the last week of August, so that gives management SEVEN months to explore options such as buying more syndication to fill the voids, or turning to local programming.
It's not like they don't have options.
A smart move would be to merge with KPNZ, put all syndication under one roof. "All the stuff the big boys won't show" or something to that extent. Not into that? Work out a deal with PCTV, get them out of the horrible Comcast rut they're in. Forming an independant news program would be a good alternative, much like NY1 is in Manhatten. Or do like KUTV and KJZZ are doing, share studio time to get your product on two stations using ABC4. A lot of the local programming that couldn't find a place to go may now have an alternative. Plus options such as opening the doors to the shows that Hollywood High produces. Make a partnership with SLCC if possible for their television and film studies crews? If you wanna think replacement network, there are options there too. Make a partnership with CNN, become the local headquarters for them in Utah like other stations are in places like Colorado and Oklahoma.
I will admit, they look like good options on paper, but nothing you willingly want to sink your teeth into in person. And I'm willing to bet all of them would be shot down until the day comes they're told they're not getting it. But hey, I'm just talking. The future may not be bright, but it is wide open.
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Post by MaxxFordham on Jan 25, 2006 22:36:42 GMT -5
Okay, I like the KUCW idea, but whether or not channel 30 gets to have CW, I hope they'll have to change their current call sign. You know, because it wouldn't really make sense for a -WB call sign to stick around after the network it was named for goes away, right?
Just a thought...
Mike
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Post by x on Jan 26, 2006 3:17:57 GMT -5
The new network will be on either KPNZ or KUWB. They already announced that. There's a list of CBS owned ex-UPN and Tribune owned ex-WB that will make the transition, and the rest will be from the existing UPN and WB stations.
It doesn't even make sense to try to build an entirely new station. The capital expenditure would be enormous, not to mention how long it would take to get a new station on the air. If they were going to not sign with either 24 or 30, they'd be better off with an existing station like KTMW. That's not going to happen though.
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Post by Amanuensis on Jan 26, 2006 12:45:50 GMT -5
If syndication deals do tie the hands at both 24 and 30, it would certainly seem like there are other options out there without starting a new station. Channel 16, for example, is probably very hungry for something better than "i" to put on. Is 16 still a Paxson owned and operated?
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Post by admin on Jan 26, 2006 13:44:44 GMT -5
The CW will be on channel 30, the new network will only program from 8-10PM Monday thru Friday, Saturday Morning and 7-10 PM Sunday Night, this is the same schedule they have now.
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Post by x on Jan 27, 2006 0:11:25 GMT -5
KUPX is still owned by Paxson, yes. He's going to ride that pony until it falls over dead. Then he'll sell and make out like a bandit. Those stations are worth a lot, especially now that DTV will level the playing field.
SLC/URN is right, and I'd forgotten. In one of the press releases it said that the CW schedule was based off the WB model rather than the UPN one. I'd say it's a done deal unless osmebody does something stupid.
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? at 8... South Park at 9 anyone? LOL
