HERE WE GO AGAIN!!

[gary]

I never get into these radio forums, but the crow transmitter site has these frequencies at this site. KKEX 96.7, KBLQ 92.9, KLZX 95.9, KLGN 103.3 FM and 104.5 La Sabrosa KLZX HD2. All three high power stations have jampro band pass filters installed but mixing of high power stations and second harmonics create interference. Band pass filters reduce the interference and to be compliant have to be 80 db down, which all of these stations are. But 80 db down from a 72 mile high power from Farnsworth you still might be able to hear some interference. It's not that we don't care, I seldom listen to other frequencies when the problem comes to our attention we look into it. Repectfully, Chief Engineer, Cache Valley Radio Group. Gary.

[fmradio]

There was never a problem with farnsworth signals being bled on (or being interfered with) until recently, I've listened to SLC stations in Logan for years. I thought nigel stated that there were problems with parts? I do appreciate you looking into the situation and hope for it to be cleared up soon. i'll be listening..

[kvj]

Seriously your still complaining about this? Why haven't you just gotten satellite radio by now, it would fix your problem with the CVRG, and the so called bleeding on 97.1. Satellite radio sounds just like ZHT, just without the commercials. I seem to never have a problem with KIX 96 being bleed on 97.1, and trust me i listen to it when there is a not so good song on the CVRG station. And you should be be glad you can even get it up here anyway. You said ZHT is 82 miles away, but you forgot to mention there is a huge mountain that blocks the signal. And did you think of this, Can you get 94.5 down in SLC??? No because again there is a HUGE MOUNTAIN in the way!!! So all i'm saying just be glad you can even get the station, and just stop complaining.

[fmradio]

So Nigel, Any updates on the transmitter? Its now November and the problem doesn't seem to be fixed.

[radioaholic]

Wow, flame party against FM Radio? Why are you guys all taking this so personally? there just WORDS on the INTERNET.

[nigel]

Well, we've spent a considerable amount of time and expense to reduce any interference on that frequency. We replaced the parts that I mentioned before, and it eliminated the "pulsing" that was mentioned by fmradio. I think that the improvement was phenomenal. As far as bleeding goes, I have listened, while driving around, to no fewer than 5 different car radios and while there is significant fuzz and interference on 97.1, I can not hear a single country music note or word indicating that KKEX is interfering on the second adjacent channel now that we have worked on it.

We're talking about a 25 kw station 100 miles away, and we just can't make it come in crystal clear in a valley surrounded by mountains. There is a 90 kw station on the next adjacent coming from approximately the same distance in Blackfoot Idaho. I really feel we've done our due diligence here. The radios used to check the signal run the gamut, from new/expensive to oldies-but-goodies, to crappy. None of them get a decent signal in the Cache Valley on 97.1. There is no sign of "bleeding" anymore. What more do you want?

[fmradio]

Thanks for the update. I Just want an understanding of why 97.1 came in clear of interference in Logan for years, with KLCE at the same transmitting power as they are today.... and then all of a sudden when 96.7 has a problem causing interference on ZHT... its not KKEX causing the problem today?
I guarantee that if you readjust/lower KKEX 96.7 for 5 minutes and tune into 97.1 you will see that the interference will be gone. KLCE has never interfered with 97.1 and is not POWERFUL enough to cause a problem with ZHT. Its obvious transmitting knowledge.Which signal has more power? KLCE at 97.3 (130 miles away) In blackfoot, Idaho or local station KKEX 96.7 broadcasting at 100,000 watts. (Which also has a history of transmitting issues) I mean just test it out and see. That's all im asking.

[betty]

I don't know if it matters to any one here, but for the last three days I've been trying to listen to 97.1 (because they play better music than 96.7) but there HAS been country music playing over it. I checked and it's from the station just two things DOWN on my tuner (to 96.7). (I don't know what to call them). Anyway, so I read all of the posts you guys wrote and decided the best way to prove that there was bleeding was to record it. So I did. I recorded multiple times (with video so it will be easier to see that I was on the right channels) the bleeding that's happening all over 97.1. Also, it's not coming from the channel in Idaho because they were playing a completely different song. The song that was playing was today at 1:07pm and it was "Fifteen" by Taylor Swift. Oh, it was playing on the Logan channel, not 97.1. I don't even remember what was playing on 97.1 though because I was so upset. It really is annoying because I pretty much hate country music. As soon as I can figure out how to post the videos (or if you even care) I will...because I suppose Nigel needs proof. (You said you hadn't heard one note of the Logan station bleeding onto 97.1). Sooo...if anyone wants to tell me how I can post them that would be nice, though I suppose I've made a few enemies now that I told you what I want to do with the videos. Oh well. I'm sure there is sometimes good music on 96.7, but I'd rather be allowed to decide intentionally to listen to it.

Also, I seriously wish I could afford a satellite radio, but...poor starving college student ya know? I guess it'll have to wait until after I graduate! But then I totally will because my older brother has one and I love it.

Also, please don't be mean to fmradio because he (I think you're a "he", but sorry if you're not) just is trying to express his opinions and get things changed. Can't we all just get along?

[betty]

Oh, and I also have a previous recording of 97.1 coming in perfectly crystal clear while in the drive thru at Carl's Junior here in Logan, so you saying that no radio gets it well is not true. My car is a 2002 and I have a tape deck radio (old school) and it came in perfect!

[fmradio]

Im glad you can see what i've been talking about!

[fmradio]

As of tuesday (1/12/10) the bleeding on 97.1 had stopped,and ZHT was coming in loud and clear! but today the bleeding started back up again.

[fmdj]

Not to bash Cache Valley group, but when I was at Microcommunications we constantly had problems with 96.7 getting bled on in Utah County from them sending down from Cache to Farnsworth (I think that's where their booster is). Last time I drove up to Utah it was all country music on 96.7 from before Nephi until Payson where I was in line of site with KQMB's SF booster and got back KQMB. If I was still working or living there, I would have been on the horn with the FCC years ago. Nephi should still be line for KQMB's main stick above Ephriam.

[betty]

So, I noticed that my BELOVED 97.1 ZHT (which miraculously was crystal clear for the past few weeks) is no longer. Apparently KLZX is broadcasting a new signal over 97.1 and it plays classic rock or something? Am I wrong? Because it's freaking annoying! Why won't Cache Valley Radio group stop trying to have a monopoly? Seriously! I should be able to listen to what I want without interference. CVRG needs to back off. Don't get me wrong, because I like classic rock, but when I want to listen to new top 40 music I go to 97.1, NOT 94.5. I'm just being honest here! Oh, and lets not forget that I have video recorded PROOF of two things: 1. Country music bleeding on 97.1 AND 2. 97.1 ZHT (on 'selected' days) coming in crystal clear to most parts of Cache Valley. Did they decide that since they couldn't get away with the bleeding that they would just cover it up completely and think no one would notice? Sheesh! I'm sorry, but when you mess with my music choices I get a little testy. Grrr, whatever. I got my rage on, so.... If anyone can explain what might be going on that would be super awesome, for reals!

[kenglish]

Looks like Sun Valley Radio has their new translator on the air, up near Smithfield:

www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/fmq?list=0&facid=144783

See the coverage maps for the existing and the new CP.

[fmradio]

I also noticed the other day that ZHT came in clear without bleeding, first time since my last post in January!! I was suprised! But it makes sence..why would they want their station Kix 96.7 to continue to bleed on 97.1 if they were about to light up their own translator for KLZX on the dial 97.1? Its obvious that they ceased bleeding on top on of 97.1 a week or so ago because they were going to, #1. begin broadcasting KLZX's translator signal at 97.1 and #2. they wouldn't want their station kix 96.7 to bleed on top of their new translator now that the signal 97.1 belonged to them and that would block ZHT out. Its so funny to me that earlier on in the post one of Cache Valley radio group(aka sun valley radio) engineers states that they aren't "intentionally trying to jam weak signals with some weird, intermittent harmonic spur" and cause bleeding/signal blocking on competitor's signals and then after months of bleeding on 97.1 ZHT they go and purposely get a translator exactly on the dial 97.1?? Really? your not trying to block out compeition? Out of all the other open signals in Cache County you chose to put your translator right on top of the already exsisting pretty strong signal 97.1 zht? If that doesn't show that you are trying to block out signals i don't know what else does! There's one more station removed from the cache county! makes ya wonder who's next?? my 99.5? B 98.7? guest we'll see!

And kenglish makes a good point! look at KLZX's main signal coverage area:
radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=KLZX&service=FM&status=L&hours=U

And then look at the coverage area for KLZX's new translator signal at 97.1: www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=FX1362132.html

And why would KLZX need to have this translator when they are working on moving KLZX's main to 99.9 fm?? radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=KLZX&service=FM&status=C&hours=U KLZX's move to 99.9 is defanatly tied in with the signal shuffling of idaho stations that is about to be underway, like KZDX 99.9 FM, Burley, ID they now have to move to 93.5 just so KLZX can take over 99.9.



It's totally unnessasary for CVRG to even have a translator for KLZX that covers almost the same exact area as their Main at 95.9! The Main signal comes in perfect in Cache County. It just proves to me that they wanted to keep a competing signal out of Cache County so they could have complete control over what stations people in Cache county listen to. Its a monoploy mindset, and its sad that through FCC Loopholes they are able to get away with it. All CVRG has to do is say, this Salt lake signal is not a protected signal in Cache county and Poof! they can plop a translator on top of, or next to a Salt Lake station and kill the signal, thus leaving you with their stations as the only other option.

example: 97.1 zht's coverage area radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=KZHT&service=FM&status=L&hours=U

See, ZHT's signal comes in well but since it's not in the red local protected area the FCC doesn't think it can reach logan strong enough to be listened to. It's just sad! and until the FCC figures out whats going on CVRG will continue to get away with it.

All I can say now betty is that you should call 97.1 ZHT and tell them that you can no longer get them because the reasons mentioned above, and hope that they put a translator signal in Logan, before CVRG takes all the open frequences up with unneeded translators.