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Post by bulloney on Aug 15, 2008 15:54:54 GMT -5
Somebody didn't pay their bills... went bankrupt... and now it's just not fair!
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Post by ROG on Aug 15, 2008 16:37:47 GMT -5
Ah there's the tride and true response I expected from "the veterans". hahaha YES I am that green. YES I understand this is business and "all's fair in love and radio". Thanks to you guys and that attitude, radio is THRIVING! Nice job! You truly are caretakers of the medium. You really DO give a ****! YES I will continue to look down my snobby little nose at anyone who continues to treat this medium as something merely to be bought and sold. I've got bills too. I've got financial responsiblities. But I also have a conscience. And I didn't write the music, but I sure as hell wrote the imaging. So yeah - THEY STOLE IT. I will stand here proudly and say COME UP WITH YOUR OWN **** DOUCHEBAGS. If you can't, I don't think you deserve to do what you do. You can call it whining all you want. I'm not responsible for what Chris Devine does. And I'm not ****ing about the frequency change. But to look at what they've put on 94.9 and call it "smart" and "a good thing" is like watching a house burn down and say "man that fire's doing a great job". It just shows you don't really care about radio. You just care about making a buck. Go sell insurance. ROG
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Post by henry on Aug 15, 2008 16:58:08 GMT -5
For what it's worth Rog, I think Citadel is cannibalizing themselves keeping 94.9 rock. Nothing is tastier than your sister station's listeners (KBER).
But I'd see their ripping off your content really as a pat on the back, man! The fact they didn't dump your imaging like a dirty diaper is a sign that what you generated is actually good. The difference? They can't make any more. Anything new will be new and uniquely Citadel.
But you can make more, in good ol' Millcreek style. So have some fun with it!
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Post by bulloney on Aug 15, 2008 20:10:22 GMT -5
Rog
If all I was worried about was making a buck, I would've jumped ship a long time ago. Again... you seem like a good guy. I've heard nothing but positives about you. I apologize if I offended.
I wouldn't be in the best of moods given your situation either.
Good luck... I wish you well!
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Post by ROG on Aug 15, 2008 20:22:12 GMT -5
Guys please understand this isn't about me. I'm not flattered that someone likes my ideas enough to use them if by using them they're degrading a medium that's got one foot in the grave and the other on a ROLLER SKATE. The principles involved (or the lack thereof) is the most compelling aspect of this issue for me. Maybe I care too much about this medium. Maybe I'm holding on too tight. But that's just me. I'm a passionate person who's trying to get MORE people to listen to the radio again!!! But it's stupid stunts like this that make us all look like morons in the eyes of rational people (or anyone whose God ISN'T money). Maybe I'm the only one who sees it that way. Actually wait...I know of at least ONE other person who sees it that way. He's right next door to me! And Bull I'm not mad at ya but I don't understand how my sentiments can seem so ludicrous to you, especially if you really DO care about more than just making a buck. Is it really so outrageous to think that there can be HONOR and INTEGRITY in what we do? And is it all-the-way wrong to interpret what Kelly (about whom I've also heard NOTHING but good things) and his cronies have done with that frequency as hurting radio in the big picture? Just askin'... ROG
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Post by 39south on Aug 15, 2008 21:32:28 GMT -5
Its not wrong to believe in things like honor or dignity and respect. There is a lot to be said for ones character when a lot of faith is placed in these virtues.
But here is the rub...
When the general populus does not share the same view you are up a creek without a paddle. Its not about doing what is right. Its all about prooving to everyone that you are right. If you actually are or not is irrelevant.
Got a good signal? Want to crush a competitor? Go right after them at their own game. Its a cut throat way to live, welcome to the cruel world kids.
We all believe in the viability of the medium. To call out someone who contiues to work, eat, sleep and breathe broadcast radio in todays enviroment is a little harsh. We would not do it if we did not believe in the genuine effect that radio has on the daily lives of the listener.
Where I applaud Rog is his passion. Something you poured your life into was taken away. Get pissed. Thats cool. Its what we would expect.
But whining about how hard things are, how bad the cards were dealt, what a raw deal you got is every bit as juvenile as whining about who got more milk at lunch in kindergarten.
We have all been burnt in this business. You either get busy livin or get busy dying.
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Post by ROG on Aug 15, 2008 22:08:15 GMT -5
Point taken 39 and you're right about a lot of things. I guess maybe I'm just not being clear. I'm not mad about the purchase. I'm not mad about a format war. I'm not whining because something was taken away from me. I'm game for all of that and despite everyone already writing us off, we're not going anywhere! What bothers me is the deception of the public. And I'm not mad because that ultimately hurts my station. I'm mad because it's just WRONG dude. And I know it happens everyday from CNN to NPR. We as a people are deceived everyday in so many ways. On some level, I'm probably guilty of it myself. But to do it on this level, when you really don't even have to, I don't know...I think it really says something about the state of radio. I can honestly say it's something I would never do. I would come up with a better idea. And if my ideas weren't heard, I'd find the door FAST. I'd much rather work at Big O Tires than go to bed at night knowing my job is to lie to 100,000 people. And here's my rub : I believe the general populus DOES care about those virtues. Honor, dignity and respect. I believe, given the choice, most people would choose the high road. I've seen it time and again. Call me juvenile. Call me idealistic. Maybe it's all true. But here's my philosophy - Got a good signal? Want to crush a competitor? PUT ON A BETTER PRODUCT. See I think it IS about doing what's right and to say that whether you actually are right or not is irrelevant? ? That's just sad man. I'm gonna get busy livin', but not in that world.
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Post by 39south on Aug 15, 2008 23:47:15 GMT -5
Keep livin the dream dude. I commend you for your optimism. Personally I have a lot of respect for what The Blaze and crew are trying to do. I personally owe Kayvon a lot in my career. Good luck and keep fighting the good fight.
Hope you dont end up doing oil changes and tire rotations.
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Post by thewholestory on Aug 16, 2008 0:09:13 GMT -5
Its loud and clear that those who think the medium is dying are those that have suffered long hard deaths out of the industry, or... have never had a birth into the industry.
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Post by radioaholic on Aug 16, 2008 2:34:33 GMT -5
ok, it seems to me neither 94.9 or 97.5 has room to b***h about not playing fair or being deceptive to the listeners. Lets review
94.9 rocks ARE trying to pass themselves off as still being the blaze without saying they are the blaze in order to keep the listeners who dont know that the blaze has moved. in my opinion they need to stress who they are and take the listeners on their own merits if they can.
97.5 the blaze treats their listeners like their idiots with the "fighting corporate radio" BS. Have you taken a look who owns you? Chris Devine is no small meat and potatos man living here in utah. you are part of corporate radio, and your going to alienate listeners when they realize your trying to pull the wool over their eyes.
Rog, Do you know why citadel is taking your imaging? their pissed. Milcreek defaulted on a loan for what? 4 years? I bet their bitter because they feel they should have been given not only the frequency, but also the intelectual rights to the blaze as repayment for milcreek defaulting on the loan, and when milcreek decided that they were gonna screw them out of that by keeping the intelectual properties, thats what started the war. I respect your passion dude, i am sure i'd have the same passion, however, Deal with it and make your station better. I have one suggestion. I cant listen to your station for more that a few min. because your playing way too much 80's. you need more 90's and current. Keep truckin bud, you can do it if you put your mind to it.
I know I Dont post much, but this is just my opinion. neither station should throw stones.
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Post by ROG on Aug 16, 2008 11:18:43 GMT -5
Dude I'm sorry but pretty much everything you said in that post is wrong. Inaccurate. NOT true. False. You get the idea.
I don't really have the time to give point by point in-depth analysis, and I doubt it would convince you anyway but here are the broad strokes...Devine doesn't own us; Citadel didn't just decide to use our imaging because they were "pissed" (do you REALLY think that's how they make decisions?); we didn't "decide" to keep the intellectual property, we fought to keep everything WE (not Devine) worked for years to create; and we only play TWO 80's songs an hour during the day, unless we get some good requests.
I respect you but your opinions seem to be based on a bunch of inaccurate perceptions, rather than facts bro.
And PS - oil changes and tire rotations are just fine by me!
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Post by dolt on Aug 16, 2008 14:48:20 GMT -5
From the shallow end of the bell curve, here is my two cents. The big corporations have economies of scale to their advantage. The others have real localism. Both could benefit from personality driven broadcasts. People will follow an on air `friend' no matter where they land on the dial. Of course this presupposes the company treating the talent with respect and rewarding them with adequate compensation.
In today's world music is cheap and very portable. There has to be something else compelling to get a listener to tune in a stay a while. I remember when people thought of K _ _ _ as my station. Anyone who can revive listeners' feeling like they have a personal stake in the station will reap the rewards.
This is not a criticism of anyone still in there and pitching. I have the utmost respect for those who try to grab the brass ring.
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Post by admin on Aug 18, 2008 3:38:35 GMT -5
amen
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Post by elchupacabras970 on Aug 18, 2008 17:10:11 GMT -5
Hey dolt, maybe you're not such a "dolt" afterall. Kidding of course. I commend you on your comments, but I also give a lot of credit to Rog. Why? Because he isn't giving up and is putting up a fight. I respect that! I wish more broadcasters really cared about fighting to win instead of just picking up a paycheck. Passion is what got so many of us into this field.
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Post by wiggle1 on Aug 18, 2008 21:27:24 GMT -5
Local Local Local huh? I think it's hilarious that they're "Fighting corporate radio". They are a corporation too, based outta Chicago. Local ****! Plus I don't totally understand the animosity, granted all of em almost lost their jobs, but if ya pay your bills, that don't happen.
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